Touré
’89: Tackling the novel, the arena of big storytellers
Nonfiction by Touré ’89
has appeared in Rolling Stone magazine, The New Yorker,
The New York Times Magazine, Playboy, Village Voice, Vibe
magazine and Tennis Magazine. An archive of Touré’s
articles is available on his Web site, at www.toure.com/library.
In the years following Columbia graduate school, Touré’s
work appeared in The Best American Essays of 1999 and The
Best American Sports Writing of 2001. His first book is
a collection of short stories, The Portable Promised Land,
published by Little, Brown and he is working on his first
novel, Soul City.
Touré visited Milton Upper School writing classes
last fall – as well as his Lower School teacher Carolyn
Damp and her fourth-grade class – talking with students
about the work of writing. Touré reflects, below,
on aspects of his experience as a writer, in response to
our questions.
Talk
about getting started, moving from nonfiction to writing
fiction.
I began writing fiction at Columbia’s graduate creative
writing school. I was about 25, 26 years old then, and had
been working at magazines like Rolling Stone, The New Yorker,
and The New York Times Magazine. I wanted to get better.
I desperately wanted to be a good writer. So I went to grad
school. There was a lot of talk, in every class it seemed,
about the line between fiction and nonfiction being very
thin. That meant that the techniques involved in creating
one are shared by the other, so if you know how to write
nonfiction you can write fiction. It’s not some magical
thing. So I took a class in writing fiction and when we
were assigned to write a story I thought, “What can
I write about?...What can I write about?...” I had
recently read Invisible Man (for probably the third time;
Ellison has always been a major influence for me) and somehow
I thought, what if you had a black man for whom white people
were invisible, as in he alone couldn’t see them.
I wrote the story of Sugar Lips Shinehot, who meets the
Devil and has the ability to see white people taken from
him.
After that, learning how to write fiction became the same
as reading. I had an idea of how to write fiction and reading
others’ sentences, I could see how they’d dealt
with the various problems a writer encounters. Every novel
I picked up helped me visualize a little better the boundaries
of modern fiction, helped me see what the playing field
looks like. Years before, in trying to learn how to write
nonfiction I learned a tremendous amount from Joan Didion
and the smooth shapes of her sentences and paragraphs and
the cool pose of her narrative voice. But now, in my mid-20s,
doing fiction, I was more moved by the authors who are stylistically
bombastic. In much of my nonfiction writing, I feel I should
not be so stylish that my style gets in the way of the reader
understanding the subject I’m showing him. In fiction,
style is critical because the whole exercise is about entertaining
the reader by any means necessary. So style becomes a big
factor. It’s not enough to have the characters do
interesting things, but the story must be told in an interesting
way. The writers who have most moved me and helped me find
my own voice are Ralph Ellison (his fiction and nonfiction),Vladimir
Nabokov, Salman Rushdie, and David Foster Wallace. Those
are very different writers, but they all tend to hyper-text-esque
verbosity and lingual pyrotechnics and self-conscious storytelling.
They all have a tremendous confidence that comes through
in their work. It’s so important to write from a place
of confidence. The reader perceives your personality from
each choice you make and the under-confident writer is not
very inspiring.
Are some genres easier, or more
challenging, or more suited to the exploration of certain
problems that are important to you?
I have done work in a number of different forms, but as
time goes on I am moving toward writing little but novels.
The novel is the heavyweight arena, where all the big thinkers
and big dreamers and big storytellers go. The novel is also
a troubled arena, demanding a tremendous amount of time
and thought on the part of the reader, a commitment which
many people aren’t willing to make in our modern microwave
era. But if I can write some good novels and remind people
of the joy of reading great novels then that’s a worthwhile
way to spend your time. I was in high school when I read
Invisible Man and Richard Wright’s Native Son, but
the writer who first got me excited about reading 300-page
stories is Toni Morrison. Her stuff is fun and serious and
graceful and soulful and makes you fall in love with her.
After going through her oeuvre I started looking around
at who else could give me the reading pleasure that she
gave me. I’d like to be that kind of writer for other
people. There’s little in life that’s as much
fun as making your way through a great novel.
Is there a personal discipline
that you apply to generate the writing?
Not really. Whenever there’s something to get done
I get motivated and brainstorm and figure out how I feel
about the subject and get some words down. I write early
notes, like a painter sketching out the first draft, on
a rectangular yellow post-it pad. I prefer newer pads that
are still thick. (I buy them in bulk.) When I get to the
computer to actually compose the first words I usually need
to have a little snack (pretzels, Cheez-Its, something)
to get me going and I need to have silence. Once I get focused
I usually surprise myself with how quickly the words come.
But then I think about a story I once heard about Picasso.
Someone asked him to draw a sketch. Picasso pulled out a
pen and for 30 seconds drew on a napkin and handed to the
man. The man said, “It’s amazing! How much?”
Picasso said, “$50,000.” The man was shocked.
“Fifty grand? The drawing took you 30 seconds?!”
Picasso said, “No. That drawing took me 40 years.”
And he’s right. Everything an artist has ever done
or seen or thought in his life becomes part of his art.
As well, the techniques, mental (and, in his case, physical),
that allow you to draw a masterpiece in 30 seconds or to
write a great story in 30 minutes, take many years to develop.
I never have anything resembling writer’s block because
I have good discipline. I’m known for always making
my deadlines. That’s the Milton discipline still in
me.
What are the questions and problems
that drive your writing? Are they questions that can be
resolved in a work, or in a lifetime of work?
The central question of my writing is what interesting thing
can I do as a writer today. That’s it. I also enjoy
expanding the complexity of the way black people are viewed
by both black and white people. But the first challenge
is to tell interesting stories in interesting ways. Thus,
my novel Soul City introduces you to a world in which people
fly at birth, a small group of women can live for hundreds
of years because they can smell Death coming and avoid him,
and one certain individual can travel to Heaven and talk
to God and travel to Hell and talk to the Devil. (But he
doesn’t go to Hell very often because the Devil always
tries to trick him into staying.) Death himself is a character,
albeit a small one and a confused one. He doesn’t
truly understand why everyone is scared of him. He doesn’t
like pain (she’s a real bitch). Death helps lots of
people get to Heaven. What’s wrong with that? He considers
hiring a PR agent, but he realizes that no one could possibly
improve his image. The book comes out in September. I’m
very excited.
When you’re happy with a
piece of work, what is it that makes you happy with it?
You know that you’re finished when you look at the
piece and you know every word is there for a reason and
nothing could be added or subtracted. On another day it
might be different, but if all those words fit together
and every word accomplishes something different and there
are no clichés, then you’re finished.
What role do you see the writer
and intellectual playing in the greater society right now?
Well, that could be a book. I was beginning to think that
serious fiction was on life-support because so few people
are reading serious fiction nowadays. But then Jon Franzen
had his big splash with The Corrections reminding me that
serious writers can have an impact on millions of people.
Novelists and serious fiction writers play an important
role in society by providing the great stories that entertain
us, teach us, help us see society through another’s
eyes. Every civilization needs storytellers to feed the
imagination of the people. All I want is to be a proud part
of that ancient tradition.
Cathleen Everett
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